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		<title>Comment on The Fourth Wall by Recycling &#124; stirringthepensieve</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Recycling &#124; stirringthepensieve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Apr 2013 17:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] *See also this story by Linus on the same theme, which I like to call &#8216;The Lampshade Redemption&#8217;: http://linusandco.wordpress.com/2013/01/22/tropes-away/ [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] *See also this story by Linus on the same theme, which I like to call &#8216;The Lampshade Redemption&#8217;: http://linusandco.wordpress.com/2013/01/22/tropes-away/ [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Fourth Wall by linus</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2013 00:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK.  Weekend was a bit of a write off. Apologies for delay.  Here is the much anticipated official reply if everyone hasn&#039;t lost interest and wandered off by now...

You&#039;re right, i do have a bit of a thing about utility, as can be seen in &lt;a href=&quot;http://linusandco.wordpress.com/2011/05/21/quality-control/&quot; / rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; thread, and if you have the time i think its quite an interesting discussion that developed between me, &lt;a href=&quot;http://changingworship.wordpress.com/&quot; / rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Robb&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timbo-baggins.co.uk/&quot; / rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tim&lt;/a&gt; as well as a couple of others - i&#039;d certainly be interested in your thoughts on it Pat (and anyone else reading this, for that matter).

And you&#039;re right that a large part of my excitement as i started to formulate the above essay was in finding a really fitting metaphore for a story that really already existed in that it is the story i tell myself about me.

But i would affirm the following points:

1) Despite its aesthetic prettiness, i wouldn&#039;t have bought the lampshade as an ornament - if i didn&#039;t think i could fix it so that it would be able to perform its intended function i wouldn&#039;t have bought it.

2) i do get genuinely very frustrated when i feel like i am making a hash of life, and feeling dysfunctional is really not a good feeling.  Conversely, managing to do life well - and especially being helpful to other people - gives me a lot of satisfaction/feeling of self worth.  Whether that&#039;s healthy or not i don&#039;t know, but it is true.

3) There is a celebration inherent in something good that had been taken away being returned to a person or object.  Whether that is the ability to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2011-08/first-steps-cyborg?single-page-view=true&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;walk&lt;/a&gt;, or the ability to hang from a lamp, or a feeling of value or self worth*.  These things make people&#039;s hearts sing in an utterly disproportionate way.  I think the fact that human beings resonate so strongly with the joy of some attribute or ability being returned says a lot about the human condition.  I&#039;m not quite sure how a redemption story is a redemption story unless something good that was lacking is returned to the subject of the story?

So i guess my question back is: Do you have in mind a redemption story that is about something being returned to us (humanity) that is not about utility, or do you have in mind a story that is about &quot;beauty, brokeness and resurrection&quot;, but that is not a redemption story?

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*And yes such feelings can come from many sources, not all linked to utility, but utility is one source of this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK.  Weekend was a bit of a write off. Apologies for delay.  Here is the much anticipated official reply if everyone hasn&#8217;t lost interest and wandered off by now&#8230;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, i do have a bit of a thing about utility, as can be seen in <a href="http://linusandco.wordpress.com/2011/05/21/quality-control/" / rel="nofollow">this</a> thread, and if you have the time i think its quite an interesting discussion that developed between me, <a href="http://changingworship.wordpress.com/" / rel="nofollow">Robb</a> and <a href="http://www.timbo-baggins.co.uk/" / rel="nofollow">Tim</a> as well as a couple of others &#8211; i&#8217;d certainly be interested in your thoughts on it Pat (and anyone else reading this, for that matter).</p>
<p>And you&#8217;re right that a large part of my excitement as i started to formulate the above essay was in finding a really fitting metaphore for a story that really already existed in that it is the story i tell myself about me.</p>
<p>But i would affirm the following points:</p>
<p>1) Despite its aesthetic prettiness, i wouldn&#8217;t have bought the lampshade as an ornament &#8211; if i didn&#8217;t think i could fix it so that it would be able to perform its intended function i wouldn&#8217;t have bought it.</p>
<p>2) i do get genuinely very frustrated when i feel like i am making a hash of life, and feeling dysfunctional is really not a good feeling.  Conversely, managing to do life well &#8211; and especially being helpful to other people &#8211; gives me a lot of satisfaction/feeling of self worth.  Whether that&#8217;s healthy or not i don&#8217;t know, but it is true.</p>
<p>3) There is a celebration inherent in something good that had been taken away being returned to a person or object.  Whether that is the ability to <a href="http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2011-08/first-steps-cyborg?single-page-view=true" rel="nofollow">walk</a>, or the ability to hang from a lamp, or a feeling of value or self worth*.  These things make people&#8217;s hearts sing in an utterly disproportionate way.  I think the fact that human beings resonate so strongly with the joy of some attribute or ability being returned says a lot about the human condition.  I&#8217;m not quite sure how a redemption story is a redemption story unless something good that was lacking is returned to the subject of the story?</p>
<p>So i guess my question back is: Do you have in mind a redemption story that is about something being returned to us (humanity) that is not about utility, or do you have in mind a story that is about &#8220;beauty, brokeness and resurrection&#8221;, but that is not a redemption story?</p>
<p>&#8212;</p>
<p>*And yes such feelings can come from many sources, not all linked to utility, but utility is one source of this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Fourth Wall by Pat</title>
		<link>http://linusandco.wordpress.com/2013/01/22/tropes-away/#comment-205</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[:-D Me too!  I also need to track down a bottle of the real stuff sometime.
Look forward to hearing more as and when time and tools are with you again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' />  Me too!  I also need to track down a bottle of the real stuff sometime.<br />
Look forward to hearing more as and when time and tools are with you again.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Fourth Wall by linus</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[linus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pat your sensitivity does you great credit but in this case is unnecessary - I think its a great question... But I will wait until tomorrow when I have more time and a computer - rather than just my phone - to give you a proper answer.  In the meantime I will just say this: I wish there was such a thing as digital honey vodka!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat your sensitivity does you great credit but in this case is unnecessary &#8211; I think its a great question&#8230; But I will wait until tomorrow when I have more time and a computer &#8211; rather than just my phone &#8211; to give you a proper answer.  In the meantime I will just say this: I wish there was such a thing as digital honey vodka!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Fourth Wall by Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 20:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Linus - treading tentatively here as there is no electronic equivalent of honey vodka to ease the difficulties which seem an inescapable part of digital conversation - so a very cautious question/comment  from me. Well maybe cautious is not quite the word but I don&#039;t know what is - gentle? Light? At any rate, what follows is not an attempt to trample over your soul and it is certainly NOT indicative of any sort of negative evaluative judgement (another bad word from the religious baggage point of  view!) on your lampshade story.. It&#039;s simply a musing out-loud from one who also holds onto the hope of the Incarnation - and tries to understand what that means in a landscape where the old waymarks and lights of certainty have either long since vanished, or turned into ignes fatui to be avoided at all costs!

So my instinctive question is.....why do you couch your story so strongly in terms of utility? Or to come at it another way - why does beauty have to be allied to functional usefullnes in order for it to have meaning and value?   I guess what I&#039;m fumbling towards is the feeling that perhaps the lampshade is not the &lt;i&gt;source &lt;/i&gt;but has instead become the instrument of a story you already know...... and thus to wondering whether if one could actually let go of that narrative for a moment, your lampshade could open up the door to a very different articulation of the connections between beauty, brokeness and resurrection.  Does that make any kind of sense?   Regards, Pat]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Linus &#8211; treading tentatively here as there is no electronic equivalent of honey vodka to ease the difficulties which seem an inescapable part of digital conversation &#8211; so a very cautious question/comment  from me. Well maybe cautious is not quite the word but I don&#8217;t know what is &#8211; gentle? Light? At any rate, what follows is not an attempt to trample over your soul and it is certainly NOT indicative of any sort of negative evaluative judgement (another bad word from the religious baggage point of  view!) on your lampshade story.. It&#8217;s simply a musing out-loud from one who also holds onto the hope of the Incarnation &#8211; and tries to understand what that means in a landscape where the old waymarks and lights of certainty have either long since vanished, or turned into ignes fatui to be avoided at all costs!</p>
<p>So my instinctive question is&#8230;..why do you couch your story so strongly in terms of utility? Or to come at it another way &#8211; why does beauty have to be allied to functional usefullnes in order for it to have meaning and value?   I guess what I&#8217;m fumbling towards is the feeling that perhaps the lampshade is not the <i>source </i>but has instead become the instrument of a story you already know&#8230;&#8230; and thus to wondering whether if one could actually let go of that narrative for a moment, your lampshade could open up the door to a very different articulation of the connections between beauty, brokeness and resurrection.  Does that make any kind of sense?   Regards, Pat</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Fourth Wall by linus</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[linus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well it amused me as well, so that&#039;s two of us.  I like the idea of the lampshade redemption especially.  Does Morgan Freeman get to play me or the lampshade?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it amused me as well, so that&#8217;s two of us.  I like the idea of the lampshade redemption especially.  Does Morgan Freeman get to play me or the lampshade?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Fourth Wall by Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rachel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Love this. Partly because I am now entertaining myself by thinking up titles of your little parable (&#039;The Prodigal Lampshade&#039;,&#039;The Lampshade Redemption&#039;,&#039;Lampshade none the richer&#039;, etc.), which will no doubt amuse no-one but myself.
Sorry. I&#039;ll behave now. Yay for hope! And any wispy hints of faith.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love this. Partly because I am now entertaining myself by thinking up titles of your little parable (&#8216;The Prodigal Lampshade&#8217;,'The Lampshade Redemption&#8217;,'Lampshade none the richer&#8217;, etc.), which will no doubt amuse no-one but myself.<br />
Sorry. I&#8217;ll behave now. Yay for hope! And any wispy hints of faith.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Perspective by linus</title>
		<link>http://linusandco.wordpress.com/2012/12/21/the-glass-is-drained/#comment-198</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[linus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>nom</p>
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		<title>Comment on Perspective by Timbo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Timbo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2012 00:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just like that, but with maybe a bit of mouldy old sausage to keep you from starving to death...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like that, but with maybe a bit of mouldy old sausage to keep you from starving to death&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Perspective by linus</title>
		<link>http://linusandco.wordpress.com/2012/12/21/the-glass-is-drained/#comment-196</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[linus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2012 23:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Heh, like the Christmas tree decoration that falls off and rolls under the sofa and spends the holidays all alone.  (sad face!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh, like the Christmas tree decoration that falls off and rolls under the sofa and spends the holidays all alone.  (sad face!)</p>
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